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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://www.theamateurfinancier.com/blog/death-and-taxes-why-not-tax-death/#comment-1020</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 04:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, quite the response to what I thought was a rather wonkish post.  I&#039;ll have to do more of these, it seems.

@Ted: You do raise a good point about generational wealth; if it passes to heirs who can use it well, the money can do a great deal to build up a family into something truly powerful.  On the other hand, it can also end up being squandered by mismanagement and greed by those same heirs.  My take is this: at most, the estate tax in the US takes about 50% of the inherited wealth that gets passed on.  If the heirs of a great fortune don&#039;t have skill needed to turn $5 million (after the tax) back into $10 million, why would it be any easier for them to turn the original $10 million into $20 million?

@David: True, it is something of a lose-win situation.  If you&#039;re looking for more information on the gift tax and its rules, the post Evan has is a good start, as is this site: http://www.savewealth.com/planning/estate/taxes/  The nutshell version goes mostly like this: you can give up to $13,000 (in total value of gifts, not just money) per year to each recipient without having to pay any taxes.  (Not counting gifts to spouses, charitable donations, and gifts used for medical gifts or tuition.)  Above that amount, any gifts you give will eat into the $1 million gift tax exemption, the amount you can give away during your lifetime without paying the gift tax.  When that exemption has been exhausted, your gift recipient will have to pay the gift taxes on the gift.  (Of course, all this applies to years other than 2010; this year is weird, with gift and estate taxes being repealed for one year only.)

@Evolution of Wealth: Very true; there are plenty of ways to avoid the estate tax (or at least, greatly soften its blow) if you know what you&#039;re doing, or have access to advisers who can point you in the right direction.  One of the disadvantages of levying a tax on the very people who have the most resources to find loopholes (to say nothing of ensuring that the loopholes are there) is that they can do a very good job of avoiding the taxes.  I&#039;ll admit, the taxation of inherited IRAs seems pretty painful; taxing pretax values at estate tax rates is downright tough.

@Evan: Thanks for the link; it does a great job summing up the gift tax in a very concise manner.  I do agree about the estate tax, as well; it&#039;s awfully hard for those who are leaving fortunes in excess of one million dollars to garner much sympathy from the bulk of the public.

@Aaron: If I had thought about generational wealth when writing this article, I might have mentioned it, although, it&#039;s such a tricky subject (as you mentioned, it has its good points and bad points, so I&#039;d need another two paragraphs or so just to bring it up) that I&#039;m not sure it would add much to the discussion.  Plus, we covered it decently here in the comments, so it didn&#039;t go completely amiss.  Thanks for the comments, and I&#039;m glad you think it can serve as a resource in the future!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, quite the response to what I thought was a rather wonkish post.  I&#8217;ll have to do more of these, it seems.</p>
<p>@Ted: You do raise a good point about generational wealth; if it passes to heirs who can use it well, the money can do a great deal to build up a family into something truly powerful.  On the other hand, it can also end up being squandered by mismanagement and greed by those same heirs.  My take is this: at most, the estate tax in the US takes about 50% of the inherited wealth that gets passed on.  If the heirs of a great fortune don&#8217;t have skill needed to turn $5 million (after the tax) back into $10 million, why would it be any easier for them to turn the original $10 million into $20 million?</p>
<p>@David: True, it is something of a lose-win situation.  If you&#8217;re looking for more information on the gift tax and its rules, the post Evan has is a good start, as is this site: <a href="http://www.savewealth.com/planning/estate/taxes/" rel="nofollow">http://www.savewealth.com/planning/estate/taxes/</a>  The nutshell version goes mostly like this: you can give up to $13,000 (in total value of gifts, not just money) per year to each recipient without having to pay any taxes.  (Not counting gifts to spouses, charitable donations, and gifts used for medical gifts or tuition.)  Above that amount, any gifts you give will eat into the $1 million gift tax exemption, the amount you can give away during your lifetime without paying the gift tax.  When that exemption has been exhausted, your gift recipient will have to pay the gift taxes on the gift.  (Of course, all this applies to years other than 2010; this year is weird, with gift and estate taxes being repealed for one year only.)</p>
<p>@Evolution of Wealth: Very true; there are plenty of ways to avoid the estate tax (or at least, greatly soften its blow) if you know what you&#8217;re doing, or have access to advisers who can point you in the right direction.  One of the disadvantages of levying a tax on the very people who have the most resources to find loopholes (to say nothing of ensuring that the loopholes are there) is that they can do a very good job of avoiding the taxes.  I&#8217;ll admit, the taxation of inherited IRAs seems pretty painful; taxing pretax values at estate tax rates is downright tough.</p>
<p>@Evan: Thanks for the link; it does a great job summing up the gift tax in a very concise manner.  I do agree about the estate tax, as well; it&#8217;s awfully hard for those who are leaving fortunes in excess of one million dollars to garner much sympathy from the bulk of the public.</p>
<p>@Aaron: If I had thought about generational wealth when writing this article, I might have mentioned it, although, it&#8217;s such a tricky subject (as you mentioned, it has its good points and bad points, so I&#8217;d need another two paragraphs or so just to bring it up) that I&#8217;m not sure it would add much to the discussion.  Plus, we covered it decently here in the comments, so it didn&#8217;t go completely amiss.  Thanks for the comments, and I&#8217;m glad you think it can serve as a resource in the future!</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron @ Clarifinancial</title>
		<link>http://www.theamateurfinancier.com/blog/death-and-taxes-why-not-tax-death/#comment-1017</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron @ Clarifinancial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Evan on this. Not only is the list of pros and cons complete (although I would add one about generational wealth being good and another about it being bad), but you also point to the fact that people should plan for estate taxes and inheritance tax. I really appreciate how neutral this is and may point to it later as a resource.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Evan on this. Not only is the list of pros and cons complete (although I would add one about generational wealth being good and another about it being bad), but you also point to the fact that people should plan for estate taxes and inheritance tax. I really appreciate how neutral this is and may point to it later as a resource.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://www.theamateurfinancier.com/blog/death-and-taxes-why-not-tax-death/#comment-1015</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 02:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is probably the best round up of the pros and cons associated with the estate tax.  When asked I often say that it is the perfect tax...it effects next to no one and those that it does effect can&#039;t bitch that much because they are worth in the top 1 to 2% of all Americans.  

David if you were looking for gift tax info:
http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/articles/gift-laws-taxes-simple/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is probably the best round up of the pros and cons associated with the estate tax.  When asked I often say that it is the perfect tax&#8230;it effects next to no one and those that it does effect can&#8217;t bitch that much because they are worth in the top 1 to 2% of all Americans.  </p>
<p>David if you were looking for gift tax info:<br />
<a href="http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/articles/gift-laws-taxes-simple/" rel="nofollow">http://www.myjourneytomillions.com/articles/gift-laws-taxes-simple/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Evolution Of Wealth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evolution Of Wealth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no problems with the death tax and don&#039;t ever plan to be affected by it.  Not because I won&#039;t have enough money but because there are numerous ways to plan for it.  That&#039;s the key to this tax.  It can be devastating if you are not prepared to handle it but it can easily be managed when taken into account.
It might be worth noting that the biggest instance of double taxation is when you die with substantial monies in IRA accounts.  These monies haven&#039;t been taxed yet and the pre-tax values are used for estate tax implications.  Think about that.
.-= Evolution Of Wealth´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/EvolutionOfWealth/~3/rY7tXm15zT8/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pricing Your Disability Insurance&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problems with the death tax and don&#8217;t ever plan to be affected by it.  Not because I won&#8217;t have enough money but because there are numerous ways to plan for it.  That&#8217;s the key to this tax.  It can be devastating if you are not prepared to handle it but it can easily be managed when taken into account.<br />
It might be worth noting that the biggest instance of double taxation is when you die with substantial monies in IRA accounts.  These monies haven&#8217;t been taxed yet and the pre-tax values are used for estate tax implications.  Think about that.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Evolution Of Wealth´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/EvolutionOfWealth/~3/rY7tXm15zT8/" rel="nofollow">Pricing Your Disability Insurance</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://www.theamateurfinancier.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: David @ MBA briefs</title>
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		<dc:creator>David @ MBA briefs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sounds like a real lose-win for everyone subject to either death tax.  Do you have any other information about gift tax limitations?  Could you not give up to the gift limit to everyone in your family without penalty?
.-= David @ MBA briefs´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/MBAbriefs/~3/S1eRh9bXAFo/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Do mass firings improve performance?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds like a real lose-win for everyone subject to either death tax.  Do you have any other information about gift tax limitations?  Could you not give up to the gift limit to everyone in your family without penalty?<br />
<span class="cluv"> David @ MBA briefs´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/MBAbriefs/~3/S1eRh9bXAFo/" rel="nofollow">Do mass firings improve performance?</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://www.theamateurfinancier.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have thought about this lately as both sets of parents are doing well financially (although still young). I think death taxes are ridiculously high. One of the main reasons is passing wealth down generations can build a great industry. If I did receive a large inheritance, I would seek to make it grow. Either through sound investing (building up other businesses) or through starting my own business. This money well help to create more jobs, build infrastructure, and maybe even give my grandchildren great jobs and more wealth. I think we see an inheritance as something that will be squandered, so we tax it so much. I can see a few percentage of taxes- but it is high! Generational wealth is highly powerful.
.-= Ted´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/FatBrokeAndDepressed/~3/bFLCRKtveRk/shame-of-debt.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The shame of debt&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have thought about this lately as both sets of parents are doing well financially (although still young). I think death taxes are ridiculously high. One of the main reasons is passing wealth down generations can build a great industry. If I did receive a large inheritance, I would seek to make it grow. Either through sound investing (building up other businesses) or through starting my own business. This money well help to create more jobs, build infrastructure, and maybe even give my grandchildren great jobs and more wealth. I think we see an inheritance as something that will be squandered, so we tax it so much. I can see a few percentage of taxes- but it is high! Generational wealth is highly powerful.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Ted´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/FatBrokeAndDepressed/~3/bFLCRKtveRk/shame-of-debt.html" rel="nofollow">The shame of debt</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://www.theamateurfinancier.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<dc:creator>Yakezie Challenge Carnival - DeliverAwayDebt &#124; DeliverAwayDebt.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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